ABORTION VERSION TWO |
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ABORTION VERSION TWO |
Jul 15 2006, 10:44 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
yea, someone head to the other one and close it.
i'm going to lay down a few ground rules here. 1- i don't care what your stance is, and no one else does either 2- use logic and facts to try to convince us to believe something. it's called a debate not a disorganized rumble. 3- be civil. a lot of you seem to have problems with this. 4- no links, unless neccisary. no quoting outside sources over a paragraph. USE YOUR OWN WORDS. if i don't care what you think about it, why would i care what someone else thinks? and really. stop using other people's arguements. alright. and you know, keeping your posts short isn't a bad thing either. so, the set up: should abortion be made illegal in the united states |
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Jul 29 2006, 02:17 AM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
^ let her believe what she will.
you can believe what you want, and she can believe what she wants. don't impose your belief on her. yes, this is debate, and the point is to clash beliefs. but each in thier own thread. animal rights has it's thread, i believe. as far as i'm concerned, rights are relatated to the domain of overt subjectivity- something that is too much rooted in belief and opinion to be debatable, like religion. there just aren't enough facts that deal with rights- it all comes down to semantics. |
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Jul 29 2006, 04:53 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 99 Joined: Apr 2006 Member No: 399,520 |
For you to say that I am completely incorrect is a little much. If you were to say brake into your neighbors back yard and murder their dog I don't think that they would accept 'Well it was an animal and it doesn't have the right to live and me being a human gives me the right to kill it' Ummmm no. And yes I know there is an animals rights section but this sort of relates to that in a way that some people consider an unborn child as equal as say an animal. But again...
as far as i'm concerned, rights are relatated to the domain of overt subjectivity- something that is too much rooted in belief and opinion to be debatable, like religion. there just aren't enough facts that deal with rights- it all comes down to semantics. This argument as well as the animals rights one all comes back to this. Now can we agree to disagree or can we not? |
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Jul 29 2006, 05:11 PM
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daughter of sin Group: Member Posts: 1,653 Joined: Mar 2006 Member No: 386,134 |
For you to say that I am completely incorrect is a little much. If you were to say brake into your neighbors back yard and murder their dog I don't think that they would accept 'Well it was an animal and it doesn't have the right to live and me being a human gives me the right to kill it' Ummmm no. And yes I know there is an animals rights section but this sort of relates to that in a way that some people consider an unborn child as equal as say an animal. That's true, but the dog would belong to the owners. That's why it wouldn't be ok. You wouldn't get in that much trouble killing a homeless dog. (by the way, I've seen none in North America.. but back in Europe they're on the streets everywhere) I too believe they should have rights because they're alive, but they just don't. Hmm. I don't think people can compare an animal with an unborn child (especially in the early years of the pregnancy).. |
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Jul 29 2006, 05:47 PM
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Senior Member Group: Member Posts: 99 Joined: Apr 2006 Member No: 399,520 |
That's true, but the dog would belong to the owners. That's why it wouldn't be ok. You wouldn't get in that much trouble killing a homeless dog. (by the way, I've seen none in North America.. but back in Europe they're on the streets everywhere) I too believe they should have rights because they're alive, but they just don't. Hmm. I don't think people can compare an animal with an unborn child (especially in the early years of the pregnancy).. We have our fair share of homeless dogs in america. And saying that you wouldn't get into that much trouble for killing a homeless dog is completely untrue. We have animal rights laws thus animals DO have rights. Ever heard of animal abuse? ASPCA? Yes, they are there to protect their right to not be harmed. People have gone to jail for many years for abusing animals and although it may not be as serious as hurting a human it still is true. Now, on the abortion issue. You guys seem to be getting confused on what side I am on. I am pro-choice and I do think that the unborn child is not technically alive yet so it is okay to abort it in the right circumstances. And I think that the mother has the right to determine what those circumstances may be. |
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